B2DU & ManifesTO present:

Canada Pro 2009
North American Bboy Championship

Crew vs Crew Bboy Battle
$5,000 in Cash and Prizes

Thursday September 17th 2009
The Sound Academy - 11 Polson St Toronto, Canada
8pm-2am
Price $15 Advanced - $20 at the door
Tickets will be available online soon and at your local Tdot hip hop shops

The Best Bboy Crews in North America Compete for the Canada Cup and $5,000 in cash - Plus prizes!

Event Details:
Judges:

J Hak - TG BREAKERS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5E4Jq0_QOk

BZ Broox - Mighty Zulu Kingz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Naf_HWJ6aA

Cuso - Mind180
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8nHtUNLn1w

Bgirl YAYA - Domestic Apes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBGLzUXjAk

(1 more to be announced)

DJs:
Riccocet - Sweet Touch Foundation
Tom Wrecks - Stylus Crew
(1 more TBA)

***Registration email jonreid@backtotheunderground.com with crew name, home town, primary contact info (one members email and phone #)
REGISTER NOW - Crew number will be capped and the list is filling up fast

Crew max of 10 bboys/bgirls - Minimum 6 Dancers
19+ Unless your competing. Young bboys make a crew!
Event Tshirts will be available BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LEGENDS LEAGUE! Be ready these are going to be nasty.

Canada Pro 2009 is part of the MANIFESTO hip hop festival. This is a multiple day festival celebrating hip hop culture. Massive events will be going down ALL WEEK, including movie screenings, bboy workshops, live free outdoor concerts featuring big name performers and much more! Check the manifesTO site below for more details.

http://www.backtotheunderground.com/forum
http://www.themanifesto.ca

will the judges still be using dyzees system to judge the battles?

WHATS THE:
TIME:?
COST:?

Time will be around 9pm
$15 advanced tickets.
Registered crews will receive advance ticket price.

I'm interested in more info about the festival but the manifesTO website still has the info from the 2008 festival. Is there somewhere else to get details or will the site be updated soon?
-K's

So if you are entering the battle you have to pay 15 bucks? I hope you are not making the crews pay to battle:( B-boys and B-girls shouldn't have to pay cause with out us there is no battle, we all have given so much to this scene entering a battle for free should be a given!

So your event was free benzo i get it.....
But hey, why don't you tell everyone the budget they gave you to work with and how much it was in comparison to the prize money? How much did you pay yourself?

Canada Pro cash prize isn't sponsored. We are putting this up outa our pocket. Your event harbourfront puts that money up. I am risking cash for an event for the community. Venue costs us money, promo, the cup, judges dj's EVERYTHING COSTS. We are not putting the costs on the bboys, but we can't afford to let in crews 25+ of 10 bboys. Thats 250 people..... You have never comped this many people at your own jam out of your own pocket before...

Remember our outdoor event? The next big thing? hey i didn't see you there. Free event PLUS $7,500 in cash prize PLUS FREE GEAR Knapsacks, jerseys bandan's waterbottles tshirts for ALL for the competitors and plus lots for the crowd.....
So hey, Free is good, but when your GIVEN MONEY for the event, how bout treating the bboys right..... what did you give them? Vitamin water, redbull?

So lets just stop worrying about how you want to get in free and stop trying to start some hating on this event, cause that shit is wack.

This event is for bboys who want to represent at one of the biggest events of the year. This event is about creating CANADA's OWN INTERNATIONAL EVENT. This is going to be annual and we are going to build it into an event Canada can be proud to have each year. Like a freestyle session, or an IBE. We gotta make Canada a draw for international bboys. How about supporting that goal? I think paying a small amount to support people building the scene up isn't a lot to ask. People need to SUPPORT eachother or we don't grow.

Please respect the work being put in, and stop trying to spread that negative bs. We came out to harbourfront to watch, even brought our guests from the states to see it. EVEN after you changed your time to a conflicting time with Battle of the Sexes (which was communicated and arranged months in advance with you, then online talk trash about a workshop conflicting..). Remember you at Bboy unit at the mod club yelling outside about paying and demanding your $5 bucks telling people not to go in? Remember Footwork battles at wrong bar with no host... I saw you at college st bar the same night a footwork battle was supposed to be going down. I got nothing against you, I still say whatsup everytime I see you and respect your dance, but when you spout shit online like this EVERYTIME we throw a jam it just gets old. It's really easy to say "THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE." Not so easy to walk the walk. Handle your business, we handle ours.

We need to be supporting eachother rather than trying to take the other down. It's a waste of energy. I hope to see you at the jam killing the cyphers. If you want to support in some way, hit me up, and we can talk like grown ass men who want to work towards a better scene.

WHAT????? Dude you need to chill out, you missed the point. And in the past if you really knew how much of my own money I have spent on doing battles in this scene, you wouldn't make those comments. Bag of Trix has always let the B-boys and B-girls battle for free, come to are jams for free and that has been happening for over ten years, and I don't need to give them prize packs to feel good. We have given out all kinds of free stuff in the past, but who cares about that. The Harbourfront jam started early this year so one of the judges could make it to the Battle of the Sexes(b- girl Lynx) so I have no idea what you are talking about. lol This is a forum for everyone to express there views, and I feel if you are battling you shouldn't have to pay, that's all. This has nothing to do with me R.E.S.P.E.C.T ING you or saying what's up, and not every battle you do I make a comment about it. I am just letting the community know if you enter a battle you really shouldn't have to pay. Iike I said " B-boys and B-girls shouldn't have to pay cause with out us there is no battle, we all have given so much to this scene entering a battle for free should be a given!"
I am not here to pull anything down, I always supported B2DU for years and years check the footage And your jam @ The Mob Club I complained about the paying and so did everyone else, I am sure I have done it more then once @ one of your battles, so what does that tell you? Just to mention one more thing if you are all about helping uplift the scene why is it when I go to a meeting with one of the company's that sponsors our event a story about a fight comes up that happened on your b-day which I wasn't even a part of. That is the true meaning of WACK, what happened that night shouldn't be spread around the city. In your reply you seem to be very defensive like you have done something wrong bro! All I was saying is that " B-boys and B-girls shouldn't have to pay cause with out us there is no battle, we all have given so much to this scene entering a battle for free should be a given!" does anyone else feel the same way?

Benzo
www.bagoftrix.ca

Canada Pro 2009
North American Bboy Championship

Crew vs Crew Bboy Battle
$5,000 in Cash and Prizes ???

that's a very sneaky way of saying an amount for a prize.

is it $5000 cash prize? or is it less than the total amount, and some of the $5,000 is spent on prizes? Would make a huge difference to be specific. Also that way you won't have disappointed winners lol. . . cause i would be.

honestly i kind of see what Benzo is saying

and maybe the way he comes off saying it seemed like he was attacking you

but say if mos def came down to tdot...would you make him pay to perform?

its just common sense...over the years alot of people have exploited the fact that bboys love what they do and love battling... and others don't have these bad intentions but follow the same trend..because when we were coming up we all had to pay no matter what

im not saying you are exploiting bboys
i just know it was common in the past..(we charged battlers at SCC as well) but it should stop...we are not new jacks anymore

For Steel City Cyphurs we charged competitors a reduced rate. Most of the people who attended were the competitors or were dancers as well. I agree that the dancers are a part of the show but when 75% or more of the people attending are dancers then yes you have to charge something. Especially when you dont have sponsors helping you with the event. A lot of people who do events do them for the dancers and the progress of the scene and not for commercial gain, and unfortunately grassroot events rely on door sales to make back whatever is invested.

I think if we didnt charge competitors for SCC there would not have been any way to have done our events.

For the first two years I was throwing events, I was very much against making bboys pay registration for a battle. I felt the same way Benzo does, that it's these bboys who are providing the entertainment and it doesn't make sense to charge the entertainers to perform (in this case, compete).

There are still some events at which I wouldn't charge registration, but for the most part, I have changed my mind about making bboys pay to enter a battle.

1. If there is no cash prize involved, it is difficult to justify making people pay to compete. However, if there IS a cash prize, people can be grown up enough to make the decision whether or not they want to invest in the opportunity to win that prize. There's an incentive to enter the battle but no one is forcing them to do it. I've heard some bboys say that they wouldn't enter a jam unless there is a prize involved. Fine, you want the chance to win a prize, you pay registration.

2. Here in Atlantic Canada, we have a relatively young scene. Because of that, many of us are doing whatever we can to bring people in from outside of our region to judge and to teach workshops. This costs a lot of money, but it is done to benefit the entire community. So, when a highly-regarded bboy is brought in to teach a workshop and attendance is minimal, causing the organizer to operate at a loss, for their efforts to develop the community, it's very frustrating. So, for our next jam, we are charging $30/bboy for registration but that includes the cost of the workshop with the judge. Registration had to be paid a month prior to the jam so everyone had plenty of advanced notice to make requests with work schedules.

I've got more reasons, but those are the main ones. A lot of it has to do with the type of jam, too, though, and there are always special cases.

its pretty simple

people pay money to watch us dance

why would we pay money to let people watch us dance

money reasons aside....that's the issue...

no one is trying to come out looking like a dick...its just common sense

if you have to pay out of your pocket then don't throw a 15 on 15 bboy battle save that for sponsored events

i agree that the dancers are providing the entertainment, but if they are COMPETING in an event and a registration fee is charged, that is perfectly normal

the reason being is that they are COMPETING for a cash prize. if you look at any other sporting event or martial art event or even a ballroom dancing event that is set up as a tournament, you will notice that competitors are required to pay registration fees

you are investing in the chance to make money, plain and simple. if you think it's a gamble and your skills are not up to par, then don't enter.

yes, if these battles were SHOWCASE battles, and no money was being won, i'd expect the dancers to be let in for free or even be PAID to battle, because they are putting on a show

but in the case of a tournament, while you are still putting on a show, you are also tryin to come out on top for monetary gain

if there are no sponsors who can front that prize money, where is it gonna come from?

i almost liken it to being in a sports pool.. everyone puts in their $10 or watever, but only one person comes out with all the loot at the end depending on how well their team did

free events are possible through sponsorship and working with the community, for instance the jam in sauga on the 29th that marcel and GI are promoting. it's a free community event that is outdoors and everyone is welcome to come

there are exhibition battles and im pretty sure the competitors dont have to pay

saying "oh but we are the entertainment and we are dancing for the audience, they are geting to see our shit, we shouldnt have to pay" is a backwards way of thinking for a competitive tournament for cash money

call-out battles, cyphers, straight up JAMS, should be FREE .99, or if a sponsor is ready to front the money, then tournaments can be too

because if you are saying the competitors are the entertainment, then ppl that just come to battles to cypher are actually ALSO the entertainment b/c ppl get to watch them on the sidelines and sometimes heated battles break out that are more fun to watch/entertaining than the actual scheduled battles. shouldn't THOSE dancers then come in free as well? by your line of argument they shouldn't because they are spectators of the scheduled battle at the same time. that is hypocrisy.

definitely need more free events, but i dont buy that competitors shouldnt be charged registration fees unless the entire cost of the event is being shouldered by the organizer and the sponsors

that's a pretty good point wreck

either way just cause other types of competitions are the same does not make it right

we should strive towards making jams free for competitors, i would come and support regardless whether its a HUGE jam with a massive prize or a tiny one

bottom line is alot of bboys are broke and to keep pushing the registration cost upwards all the time wont lead to more of a turnout